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good afternoon here, craig melvin. one of the richest members of congress engaged in inside trading and lied to the fbi. does it give them an advantage in november? >> ready to respond. president trump's lawyer says he'll respond today to robert mueller's request for an interview. he's telling nbc news it will be a legitimate offer and try to make the interview to happen. the president and his party flood the zone in ohio, kansas for key elections. but when it comes in november, will the court be too big to fully defend? we'll look at that in just a moment. we'll start with the indictment of the new york congressman. another scandal disrupted their planning. chris collins from upstate new york has been charged with
sharing insider information on a formal stock. >> congressman collins cheated our markets and our justice system. these charges are reminder that this is a nation of laws and that everybody stands equal before the bar of justice. once a little known back bencher, he volted in the public's eye and went on february 2014, he became the first house member to back the trump campaign. after that, he second at trump's national convention. trump's win gave collins easy access to the white house dealing with his own scandal including one former secretary caught up trading in the same stock. collins will no longer be serving in the house of energy
and commerce committee. collins' lawyer is saying, "we are confident that he'll be completely vitamndicated and exonerated." >> let's start with tom outside the courthouse. tell us about the fbi investigation, what did they say chris collins and his son did? . >> reporter: the key thing they say is the congressman came into a possession of privilege material inside information. he was aware of material information of this company specifically that a major drug trial they have done. what's not okay the government says and what's against u.s. laws was for him to pick up the phone and call his son and let him know that information before the information that's publicly released by the company and allowed his son and fiance and other associates and stockbrokers to be involved in
trading that stock before it is publicly announced. the congressman is not charged of trading any shares himself. all of his shares in the company were tied up on an australian stock exchange which is where the company is based. at the time the information was known, they had stopped that stock from trading pending news. the congressman skrould traded one way or another. the u.s. shares of that company were able to be traded and that's where the government says the congressman called his son on june 22nd of last year at the white house, he tried in several occasions to reach his son and finally got through to him and able to detail the information according to allegations and indictment today, craig. that's when the alleged insider trading occur and there is also the allegations that he lied to the fbi. >> tom winter here in new york city with more on that. thank you to his lawyers. pa
part of collins defense is that he did not sell any of the stocks. this time we'll show you of why this is all according to law enforcement. here is the time line. on june 22nd, 2017, the ceo learns of the trial results, innate ceo learns of the results. that ceo e-mailing collins calling it clinical failure and extremely bad news. according to officials, he calls his son whose shares are listed on the u.s. market. june 23rd to june 26th, colli collins' son sells more than 1.4 million shares. he also tips off some friends who also avoid losses.
june 26 oeth, innate released t results of the public trial and the next day the stock drops more than 92%. our zeke miller covering the white house and danny cevallos. >> jake, i want to start with you. this is something you tweeted of your reporting from january, 2017. "over heard at the capitol, chris collins talking loudly into a phone, bragging about how many millionaires i have made in buffalo in the last month. he was brainging about a stock tip he had shared with people." are there any congressman that should be worried jake sherman? >> i can tell you in play book p.m., we laid out a number of
congressmen who were invested in this stock, republicans in texas and oklahoma who some of them have said they got this tip from chris collins who was on the commerce committee. i think we should take a step back here. this election, democrats have been looking for a theme. they want to make this election about the swamp and washington, about republicans were not just acting on the level in their duties. they seem to have been handed this on a silver platter. you have the president's campaign manager on trial of virginia. you have a congressman who was indicted not for insider trading but on insider trading scheme and you have a whole host of issues that indicates that republicans could be run against as a swamp creature who has not treated office well. you compound this with the issue we saw yesterday. democrats gaining crowds on
republicans of this strong district here in columbus. you kind of paint a picture of serious political problems for republicans. >> hours after that special election, number of other news making elections around the country. danny, how much trouble again, we should note there is allegations at this point. based on what we know, how much trouble is the congressman in. >> the allegation and indictment are very bad for the congressman. the law recognizes two kinds of people when it comes to insider tradi trading. there is a tipper and there is the tippee. collins is a tipper. he had insider information and information according to the allegations and indictment was information under company that
should not be exposed. you show allegations of the phone records as he supposedly franticly calls his son from the white house. >> from the white house. >> yes, multiple in a row and there is a six-minute phone call. this is the kind of case even if you don't have a recording from that phone call, the inference to be drawn is very compelling and you have all of these tippees who are selling and avoiding the disaster that was the result of this negative report. >> u.s. attorneys typically don't bring charges like this unless they feel it is a slam dunk case. >> u.s. attorneys build their case and spend a lot of time until they finally seek an indictment. when a federal case is indicted, it usually leads to a conviction.
>> zeke, i want to play something of what president trump said, this is july of last year. >> take a listen. congressman chris collins. right from the beginning he said trump is going to win that's why i like him. i didn't like him that much before. now i love him. one would assume someone working all on the campaign ad is featuring that. >> you can assume that as this jake mentions that this brought into the narrative right now for republicans and the problem that they have of the perception problem of president trump ran and saying he's going to drain the swamp and democrats don't have a fairly -- they have a lot of details and a picture of the swamp getting swamper with president trump in the white house. that's a problem for republicans this november but also for president trump in 2020.
all of that paints a picture of that. it will be challenging not just for the president's party but for the president himself but over the next two years as he contemplate in the elections. >> zeke, any words about these charges? >> nothing yet. not to blame too much for the president with somebody surrounding himself with only the best people. it seems like all the people surrounded himself with are not connected with this case. he surrounded himself with a lot of people that seems to attract scandals himself. >> we are not talking about any congressman. this is a congressman from new york and everyone bystanders in congress, there is a lot of wealthy m wealthy men with zand women who
served. he's a guy that's worth upward $66 million. >> he's at the top of the pack. not many members of congress. congress is broadly thought of wealthy institutions but few of people worth upward of tens of millions of dollars. he had on paper between 25 and $15 million at one point in this stock. you look to reiterate because it is important. john cobleson had this stock and mike conwnaway, he had this stock. this stock, many of his colleagues actually were invested in this as well and we quote, a colorado representative who conceded and he took a bath on this stock and lost more than $10,000. the word of this stock clearly had gotten around capital hill from this man in many cases, chris collins close to the
president, a wealthy member of congress and a powerful committee that oversees the pharmaceutical industry. we can't over state that enough. >> jake sherman for us in ohio, we'll be talking in mere moments. zeke, always good to have you. danny cevallos, thank you for your insights as well. key witness, the defense team for the former trump campaign chairman gets his first crack at robert mueller's star witness and painted him as a thieve and a cheater. we also have some breaking news from the president's personal attorney telling nbc news he's made of what he calls a legitimate offer to robert mueller to set up an interview with the president. plus, trump's test. trump back republicans out performing expectations and early races but come november, things are going to get a lot more complicated. we'll look at that and plus breaking hate. a year after charlottesville, we'll share the story of a man who attended last year's white
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interview with the president. >> it is about time that ends. i also think and i hope the special counsel, we do not want to run into the november elections. backup from that and this should be over with by september 1st. we have now given him an answer. he obviously should take a few days to consider it. we should get this resolved. >> all right, getting that from a short time ago with rudy giuliani with jay sekulow. >> let's start with this breaking news here. a sit down between bob mueller and president trump we have been talking about it for several months now, is it something that is likelier to happen today or yesterday or the day before that. >> as time it is less likely. i think everything that's gone on up until this point has been theatrics. i don't think he has any
intentions to sit down with robert mueller. the condition that rudy giuliani has staged, we won't talk about obstruction of justice, we'll talk about potential collusions and we want written answers, that's ridiculous. it is robert mueller that's going to set the tone and agenda for a meeting that he may or may not have with president trump. he has the law to his side. if he has to take it to the subpoena, it will go to the supreme court. it will say that president trump must sit. >> based on what. >> the nixon was the precedent. there is not a specific case of a president delivering testimonies before the testimony. the president is not above the law. that's our theme of america, no one is above the law >> let's turn to our defense
attorneys helicopt attorneys continuing their attack today on rick gates. we know that he cut a deal if you will to provide testimonies against manafort. is the revelation he had these affairs and some of the other stuff that's revealed in court, could that affect the plea deal that rick gates cut with prosecutors? >> the question is, the question about whether or not he had affairs as opposed to one, gates did not answer that question because there was an objection and they moved on tch. the jury heard the question and whether or not if that's going to prejudice them. this is what the defense is trying to do over and over again. you cheated on your wife. why should we believe you. why should this jury believe you now. yes, if he lies on the stand about anything, that eviscerate his cooperation agreement.
many people think the deal has been signed on the dotted line and it is over. absolutely not. what's going to happen is the prosecutors are going to write a letter to the sentencing judge when gates gets sentence. if it goes well, they would not oppose for a request of a non custodial sentence. >> does it have enough of a paper case to convict paul manafort. >> they do. enough to put gates on the stand. at the beginning of the trial, they said they were not sure putting him on the stand. you can read this indictment, it lays out in perfect order just how this crime was commitmeted. it is a paper case and it is going to be a snooze fest. it is heavy in documents and it is quite complicated. they're sandwiching their star
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visit pge.com/wildfiresafety about 90 minutes from now, officials in charlottesville virginia will outline security measures they'll be taking as that city prepares to mark one year since the violent demonstrations of white supremacists in the city and left one person dead. you remember the knneo-nazis an opposing the removal of confederate statue of robert e. lee. one woman was killed when a protester allegedly ran his car
in the crowd there. two state trooper were also killed when their helicopter patrolling the area crashed. >> morgan radford is with us as well. eddie, what have we learned from charlottesville, eddie glaude. >> we learned that the the current of hate still runs strong in this country. and then we learned a couple of things as well and that's one that roy corn was afendoffended terrorists than donald trump walking around -- just last week
or so we had the patriots prayer in oregon where violence vanderpujumped off. we have seen the extraordinary documentary on pbs documenting "hate," where we see the growth of these organizations. what we have learned cra, craig the end of the day that we are standing at the press of this. the country is experiencing a kind of racial situation that we have to result and confront immediately. >> morgan, you spent with a guy who was there, spent some time at the protest in charlottesville but since then had a change of heart. >> absolutely, today he expresses a lot of regret for the fear that he says he single handedly spread throughout all his community. most interestingly, he said
there are a lot of others like him who are still in the white supremacist movement. they are apart of a growing generation she says. the reason why he thinks they are joining may shock you. >> ken parker went to charlottesville ready for a race riot. >> we knew when we went in there that it was going to turn into a racially heated situation. >> reporter: he was a neo-nazi and a member of the kkk. so you were wearing this while you were burning crosses. >> oh, that's an actual cross burning behind you. >> yes, ma'am. >> reporter: like hundreds of others that day, ken was fuelled by anger. of all the things you could pick, i want this to be apart of my identity. why whiteness? >> i gotten out of the navy and it was easy to get a job.
we have people darker skin in the country taking my job. >> reporter: do you think it is a growing movement? >> the more extreme people would come, they were the ones that came in after obama. it had something to do with a black man in the white house. >> reporter: obama was part of your recruiting tool. >> yes, absolutely. >> reporter: seven months after charlottesville, ken started having different doubts. that's when he bumped into a man who made an offer that would change his life. >> he invited me and my fiance to go to church, well, it is worth a shot. that man was a black pastor. >> reporter: you are in congregation and they're all black and three white people and including you. >> yes, ma'am, he called me up and asked me to share my story. after the service, they're all coming up and hugging me and shaking my hand.
>> when we make it to heaven, heaven is not one race. >> >> reporter: ken wanted to stay out of the move. . >> he basically runs an underground railroad for men like ken trying to escape hate groups by helping them remove their tattoos. these are things you will be grateful for the rest of your life and reconnect with society. a job that's more important now than ever. >> i think a big thing fuelling hate group is the rhetoric from white house. the rhetoric that immigrants are dangerous and islam is dangerous. that's all the same kind of speech that we use 20 years ago in what we call the movement. >> reporter: now one year later, ken is still navigating uncharted water, turning the tie
of hate into a wave of love. >> god bless you. >> thank you. >> reporter: morgan radford. nbc news, jacksonville. >> the story does not end there. he says he's actually now getting messages from people online asking how they can get out of hate groups just like he did. ken says he knows he caused a lot of pain for a lot of people. he does hope though that this one small step towards making up for it. he is featured in a documentary before he left the movement and if you are interested, you can watch it on netflix, it is called "whites meeting the enemy." >> what's fascinating, you got one guy who says basically joined up because barack obama became president and the other guy was like well, president trump made things a lot worse in this country. >> that was what most surprising. i have been covering these white supremacists for more than a year them. what ken said was interesting, he said while that may have
empowered us in action, it was actually president obama that entreprene empowered us in ideology. the idea of saying a black man in a white house were so offensive that they would move to join. >> eddie, we heard a gentleman say out loud that a lot of folks looking like us especially have heard but actually hear someone say it on television is a lot different. what's your reaction to what we just saw there and do changing attitudes, do they sometimes start with just one person? >> sometimes they do start with one person and it is a great story. it serves its purpose and i am happy for him and his family. it gives us an example of what actual human contact when we treat each other with human beings and with full hearts and love and what can be generated. let's be clear. the hatred that animate this country is not easily located of loud races. what he says that folks are
blaming other folks because they have lost their jobs because they can't afford college and can't bequeath to their children and the american dreams. big government has been given money to under deserving black and brown people. then there is the demographic insecurity by 2045, america will be a majority/minority. economic insecurity combined with demographics and you have folks in the white house of the insecuritiy of donald trump feeding it. it is easy for us to look at the loud racists and bigots and say look at the bad people there, that's american-melo drama. we need our happy endings. this is not about loud races. this is about us. donald trump is an exaggerated indication of what is at the heart of the nation.
that's the suburbs of western pennsylvania. that's in the city of the south. that's in the rural yaarea. that's all over the country. so it is easy for us when we come to vcharlottesville a year later. for us to demonize the loud bigots, what charlottesville do for us is that perhaps we can see the bigots ourself and get t to see the real work. >> thank you eddie glaude and morgan radford. >> i talked to the star who plays the detective why he thought it was such an important project. what was the film about for you? >> seeing a group of people help this african-american man
achieve the goal to execute this mission. they believe in the case, they believed in him and they did not look like him in that time of colorado springs. >> on sunday, msnbc will be sharing a story of another former white supremacist who dedicated his life to reforming others. you can watch bre"breaking haten sunday at 9:00 eastern only on msnbc. we can't stay here!
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more breaking news now on this wednesday. this is according to the new york times just coming in. president trump's lawyers have decided to counter bob mueller's interview offer. they are looking for a narrower scope. again if you will remember a few moments ago we told you about rudy giuliani going on jay sekul sekulow's radio show to indicate that they have provided this offer. we are learning networking to the "times" that the president's attorneys -- i guess as this eight months saga going on now. joined now by elise george and jason johnson. he's also an msnbc contributor. and elise, let me start with you. how surprised are you? >> well, donald trump's lawyers certainly don't want him to sit
down with robert mueller but donald trump himself has been adamant that he does want to do so. this is an extended dance that is emerging as a stall tactic to delay and delay anything that the trump camp can do to delay the findings of the mueller investigation. >> jason johnson, your initial reaction to this news you are getting to the new york times. we are working to confirm this independently. >> it does not surprise me. they're going to try to make this narrow cast as possible. we are not going to have a big meeting where trump can't have his lawyers where you can't give him the question is in advance. i am sure he's going to ask to get all the questions in tweets. there is no way they want donald trump to answer any kinds of questions because he's a paliar.
>> one person here saying mr. trump's lawyer did not want him answering questions about whether he obstructed justice. elise, i guess that begs the question, if we know the president is being investigated for obstructing justice and pollution among other things, if we know he's been investigated for obstructing justice, how realistic is it to expect that the special counsel would agree to interview the president and not talk about obstruction justice? >> it makes no sense and maybe someone with more of a legal background could explain and maybe this is you know something that lawyers do? >> i don't know how journalist approach interviews. you will ask the juicy question. if a journalist have a chance to ask question. this is how i will work for people and prepping them for interviews. i would say expect the obvious
questions to be asked. questions about obstruction of justice and collusion are the obvious questions that robert mueller wants to know the answer to. >> jason, rudy giuliani, the president president's out spoken attorney. according to the "times" say quote, "we are restating what we have been saying for months, it is time for the special counsel's office to conclude its investigation without delay." is this something that is actually going to galvanize voters. is this something we talk about here but voters don't really care as much about it. >> i have to tell you, craig, i was in detroit and i am often in ohio and georgia. everybody knows how they feel of
the russia investigation at this point. it is not a huge gallivvanizing factor one way or another. republicans think it is a terrible witch hunt and democrats think the president of the united states is constantly engaged with russia or pretends he does not know. what's critical is this. when rudy giuliani says hey, we are not going to answer these questions and we are not going to answer that kind of question. all it does is it perpetuates this kind of investigation. we had breaking news today, it took a year and a half for federal attorneys to get collins? he's a member of congress. to think that the mueller investigation needs to be whining down only a year when they got to chase people across five time zones, is ridiculous and trump knows that so he can stall. >> michael smith breaks news around this day. he frequently is joining us by
phone with michael schmidt. >> we think it is significant at this point. we think that the president's lawyer are basically saying there is only a small number of obstruction questions that can be answered. they are deeply concerned about allowing the president to go on and on in the interview with investigators and they are trying to narrow as much as possible, sort of thinking on the feedback that they don't think that robert mueller will go ahead and subpoena the president and interview him about just basically say he interviewed him. other people find it hard to believe that mueller would allow that to happen. mueller will do everything in his authority to try to get an interview with the president. >> what makes them so confident
that mueller won't subpoena the president? >> i think there are some kinds of calculation that muller will not want to lose a court battle over the subpoena. if he goes to court to fight the president on compelling him to testify and he loses it, it will under test the credibility. if you talk to legal experts, they'll say mueller is going to use every tool he has possible including a grand jury subpoena to try to get the president to talk. how can mueller complete his investigation without asking the president whether he had criminal intent when he fired comey and took other measures that people say were intended to obstruct the russia investigation. >> why is his attorneys so concerned of the president going on and on with bob mueller in an interview? >> the president believes that he can explain to anyone anything especially in this
case, he can explain to mueller that he did nothing wrong. he thinks he can set the record straight. the problem is mueller has shown that he's going to charge people if they make the slightest misstatement. the president is not someone who's obsessed with the facts. the president is someone who makes statements that are inaccurate. they feel the president can be put in a position where he's in an intense interview and he tries to explain things and he says stuff that's not true. >> this is going on for eight months now. what's the next step. now the president and the attorneys have countered. >> the president's lawyers have said for basically that period of time that eight months they're about two weeks a i way making a decision about whether they'll do the interview or not. here we are still going along with this back and forth and mie mueller. they have said to mueller,
they'll not do the interview. all right, enough is enough. i can see here that we are not going to come to terms on the interview, i am going to subpoena the president. setting off this fight or do the president's lawyer come back and say formally, say, look, we are not going to do that. are we at a breaking point or will they continue to negotiate. there is some question. does mueller want us to subpoena the president closer to the m midter midterms. i think there are some thoughts that mueller would not want to be seen entering as some folks call it as comey's territory. >> comey was forced to make the announcement about the hillary clinton's e-mail address. >> michael schmidt one of the reporters here. >> let me turn to jordan here. we should know one sitting president, bill clinton, has been subpoenaed and to prevent one of these prolong court
battles that michael just alluded to. he ultimately volunteered to sit down for this interview. does not sound that president trump is going to do that. political fallout. is there any political fallout. the president refuses to sit down with mueller and mueller has to figure out a way to conclude his investigation without talking to the president. will there be any sort of fallout. >> if donald trump does not sit down with robert mueller, he looks like he's hiding something and not up for the challenge of being interviewed and forthright of what happens. that creates the impression that he is indeed hiding something. donald trump does not want us to be seen as cowarding from a fight. to this date we know him to attack back and keeps pushing forward. he thinks he can get in a room and convince kim jong-un
unilaterally relinquish his program. that's the way donald trump thinks and operates. just for some back history, when fellow msnbc tim o'brien wrote the book "trump's nation" and reported on donald trump's finances and donald trump sued him for $5 billion for harm to his reputation. when they got donald trump in court, when he sat down for depositions, he told about 30 lies and he said his income fluctuated how he was feeling. that's the kind of performance that donald trump lawyers certainly want to avoid. >> elise jordan. thank you. >> jason johnson. appreciate your insight and michael schmidt on the phone with his news. >> the back story of a black police officer who manage todd i infiltrate the kkk back in the 1970s. my interview with the man who
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as the nation prepares to revisit last year's deadly charged violence in charlottesville, filmmaker spike lee is taking his storytelling skills to another era of racial tension in this country. the '60s and '70s. the new film is based on a true story of a black colorado police officer who managed to infiltrate the cku klux klan. i sat down with the film's star, john david washington, to talk about the racial tensions that exist in america today. >> might be the man to open up things around here. >> sometimes the role of a lifetime comes via text. >> how did you get in this game?
>> i was on location for another film in cincinnati and i got a text saying spike called me. >> spike lee. the filmmaker wanted actor john david washington to play the lead in "blackkklansman," a movie based on the real-life story of a colorado detective, ron stallworth, who infiltrated the klu klux klan in the 1970s. >> black ron stallworth over the phone, white ron stallworth face-to-face, a combined ron stallworth. >> can you do that? >> i believe we can. with the right white man. >> what was the film about for you. >> seeing a group of people help this african-american man achieve the goal to execute this mission. they believed in the case. they believed in him. they did not look like him in that time in colorado springs. >> the movie is funny, relevant, and at times tough to watch. most difficult scene in the
movie for you? >> the banquet scene. >> the true white american race, the backbone from whence came our great southern heritage. >> it felt the most authentic, the hoods and the celebration of this institution. an institution of hate. talking and hanging out with fellow actors that were playing clansmen, we had to joke around between takes to shake it off because of how real it felt that day. >> "blackkklansman" isn't john david's first for ray into a spike lee film. at 9 he appeared in malcolm x co-starring with a certain other actor with the same last name. >> we didn't land on plymouth rock. plymouth rock landed on us. >> john david washington is denzel's son. lest you forget, the son of paulette a washington. >> being the son of denzel washington.
>> and paulet. >> earning more money before they got married. she was on broadway working, paid for the first date, paid the billers paid the cab ride. the classically trained pianist. went to juliard. i learned a lot from her. my father taught me how to hunt. my mom taught me how to love. >> it looked a young j.d. >> my father did shakespeare in the park had i was 4 years old and richard iii, seeing him limping. he had this mullet going on. i thought it was the coolest thing ever. i was like, i want to do that. >> instead of running into the spotlight, john david initially ran from it and on to the football field. >> as he started to become successful, people started changing around me and gave me a little anxiety, resentment, anger. so i filtered those emotions through this outlet. football.
>> football carried him through college and briefly into the pros before an injury closed the door on the game and opened another for acting. >> yeah, yeah, look. >> playing ricky jarrett in hbo's "ballers." >> you didn't leave us to help me. you left because you are a coward. >> now with "blackkklansman," john david is set to make his own mark on hollywood. and if the standing ovation at the cannes film festival is any indication, washington is well on his way. >> the reaction when the film stopped? >> like winning the sushperbowl. i never won anything when i played. that felt amazing. >> the film, by the way, washington's eighth and spike lee's 83rd. it opens on friday. 44 years ago today in an evening televised address, president richard nixon bowed to pressure from the republic and congress and became the first president in american history to
resign. here's a flashback. >> america needs a full-time president and a full-time congress, particularly at this time with problems we face at home and abroad. to continue to fight through the months ahead for my personal vindication would almost totally absorb the time and attention of both the president and the congress in a period when our entire focus should be on the great issues of peace abroad and prosperity without inflation at home. therefore, i shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> 44 years ago today. that's going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live. katy tur is standing by. i'll see you tomorrow morning on "today" and right back here tomorrow afternoon at 1:00. >> craig melvin, thank you very
much. 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in new york. chris collins has been arrest and will appear in court at any moment. he is accused of insider trading, tipping off his son and family to a failed drug trial before the results were made public. >> as alleged in the indictment, congressman collins cheated our markets and our justice system in two ways. first, he tipped his son to confidential corporate information at the expense of regular investors, and then he lied about it to law enforcement to cover it up. these charges are a reminder that this is a nation of laws and that everybody stands equal before the bar of justice. >> collins is one